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1961 Gibson ES-335 TDC Factory Second

by James
(Long Beach, CA)

Hi,





Just made the donation. It's from scoid. My question is:

This guitar is stamped with a "2" on the back of the peghead indicating it is a factory second.

What is it's bluebook value considering it is a factory second?

James

ANSWER

Hi, James--

Apparently Gibson used this marking until 1985 to denote a guitar with flaws in the finish. After 1985 they no longer marked the flawed guitars because, although they sold these guitars at a discount to dealers, the dealers were selling them for full price.

I could find no information about factory seconds and Blue Book value, probably because the Blue Book values are based on collector demand and collectors are usually not looking for factory seconds.

Here is the Blue Book pricing info:

1961-1962 Pearl Dots PAFs
Mint $30,000
Exc.+ $22,500
Exc. $18,000
Avg.+ $15,000
Avg. $12,500
General $10,000

Given the high value o0f this guitar, even if the factory second status reduced the value by half, you still have a valuable guitar.

If you are wanting to sell, you might try taking the Blue Book value for the appropriate condition category and reducing it by 1/3 and see what happens. After all, the value of ANY guitar is ultimately what someone will pay for it.

Lynne

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Feb 11, 2010
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WHAT ABOUT THE BASS??
by: Anonymous

Hey players...

A bass player here...with a Q about Gibson EBO
bass guitars...How can one tell if a 1970 Gibson EBO is orignal 1970...rather than a reissue model?
I'm a Fender-P player 1965. As all, or most know
during that era of Fender...the cats building the bass wrote the original BDate on the face of the neck...One has to remove it to see the real mfg. date. That ended once Fender found the boys were
writing unpleasant words along with the mfg date.

Help this old dwag out with words of wisdom...

gsummers@woh.rr.com

Dec 20, 2009
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1961 Gibson ES 335 M
by: dave

called Gibson to discuss with serial numbers etc. 1961 confirmed. they were confused with the M designation. It is dark brown color. they guessed it stood for mahogany. any thoughts?

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Hi, Dave--

That would be the reasonable conclusion except that the finishes listed for the ES 335 do not include Mahogany:

"Ebony (1974-79, ES-335 TD), Wine Red (1975-79, ES-335 TD), Walnut, Cherry, Natural (1958-1960, rare), Sunburst (1958-1970, and 1974), or Tobacco Sunburst (mfg. 1974 only)"

The dark brown finish sounds like Walnut.

Lynne

Dec 10, 2009
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Thanks
by: Anonymous

Hi Lynne,

I'm looking to purchase from a dealer so I need some concrete information regarding factory seconds. Thanks for the bluebook figures though.

James

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